Comments on: Stack and Tilt: The ultimate cure for our swing problems?

By: Giancarlo

Giancarlo — Fri, 03 May 2013 15:04:40 +0000

S&T DOES work with the driver. I play the ball off my left instep instead of just inside my left heel and I hit it plenty long. I did have to go from a 9.5 degree driver to a 10.5 degree driver when I went to S&T to accommodate the new launch conditions. Adding a degree of loft to my driver gave me MORE “air time” and decreased sidespin so I get to hit more fairways.

If you can find it, get a copy or borrow a copy of Jack Nicklaus’ 1982 book “The Full Swing” and look at the swing sequences. It’s mind blowing because he is using ALL SIX S&T principles.

This was the swing Jack used at age 40 in 1980 to win the US Open, the PGA Championship, and achieve a Total Driving score of 23 — tenth in accuracy and thirteenth in distance — which has never come CLOSE to being matched in 33 years. Jack also used this swing to hit 85% of his greens in regulation in 1980 — not even the best LPGA pros hit that many greens.

If you KNOW the principles correctly, S&T is a great way to swing but there are lots of anti-S&T jerks out there who simply never learned the principles correctly, made mistakes, then blamed the S&T concepts instead of themselves. These people make me sick because they blame their failure to interpret S&T correctly on Mike Bennett and Andy Plummer.

Read the book. Look at the DVDs. Read “The Full Swing” and you’ll see that Jack Nicklaus was the greatest S&T-er of all time.

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By: Har

Har — Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:02:01 +0000

Hey, BigRed, I really like your analysis of the swing, but you really have not adequately studied the SandT DVDs. The authors focus on the true fundamental of the swing, ie, hitting the ground in front of the ball consistently. They focus on the moves that are required in order to accomplish this fundamental objective. You really need to study the dvds and the book before you make your comments. In fact the SandT is better for beginners BECAUSE the SandT method does not rely so much on using two fulcroms, rotating first on the right and then the left hip. this move is very difficult for beginners.

The Stack and Tilt videos have been very helpful to my swing. It is wrong to consider this a “new” swing. The authors show that these moves have been made by the very best golfers in history. The authors have focused on the true fundamental of the golf swing: hitting down on the ball and taking a divot in front of the ball. After all, the golf club is made to hit in that manner. Without that basic move, you may as well cash in your clubs. Because there are other well respected approaches to the swing, the professionals may or may not stay with Stack and Tilt. But I can attest that SandT is far superior as a learning tool for beginners. We should scrap, yes scrap, all other methods. The other methods depend on a beginner learning to use two fulcrums: first right, then left hip. This is extremely difficult to learn. Those who do learn have such excellent natural skill that they almost always cannot appreciate why the average Joe does not learn the skill. SandT focuses on the one key fulcrum, the left hip fulcrum, and the need to have the Center of Gravity in front of the ball. I hope that Golf Digest realizes the need to improve golf education, in order to resist the current downslide in Golf attendance and revenue to golf courses. We need a method of teaching that more quickly gets the novice out on the course in a reasonably good manner. SandT accomplishes this very important objective.

By: Harv

Harv — Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:33:37 +0000

Let me add my similar views. SandT has really helped me. I am an older beginner. The conventional approach to teaching the golf swing relied heavily upon using two fulcroms: right hip, then left hip. This is combined with several movements of arms and feet, etc. Only the most gifted physical movement people in our midst have the natural ability to master this complex movement in a a period of less than several years. As a result, many people are discouraged from playing golf. The SandT would revolutionize teaching of golf if it were the standard of beginner instruction. It is a much easier way to master the golf swing, or at least develop a functional swing that gets you on the course and through the course in a reasonable manner.

By: James Kim

James Kim — Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:30:55 +0000

Nearing two years now that I’ve been using the S&T method. I’ve learned a lot about the swing through trial and error. Started great, then went flat for several months, then better now. Some faults I fell into? First, I started dipping my head on the backswing resulting in inconsistent contact (fixed by looking in mirror as I turned back); Consistent straight push (fixed by keeping weight forward and arms on torso); Developed push slice (fixed by keeping weight forward and finishing with right foot angled in instead of on toe, which stopped me from spinning my hips out to the left); Shanking (fixed by keeping arms on torso and keeping weight left); Low drives and woods (fixed by keeping head over the ball but pushing my hips left on set up tilting me back at address). I’m comfortable where I am now, but I have to constantly monitor keeping my weight left and not trying to over reach on backswing and forward swing. I’ve gone from a 21.3 index in Dec. ‘09 to 9.1 on Sept. ‘11. Broke 80 three times in the past few months.

By: Saul

Saul — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:10:32 +0000

This is my second year actually playing golf and I’m glad I discovered the SNT method. I had no lessons when I started I just frantically looked for information on how to swing the club as I began playing. Unfortunately I ran I to every website selling me this and that. All I wanted to do was get the ball in the air and have it land it’s fianl destination without me looking like an idiot digging for gophers in the fairway. An older gentleman whom I worked with started feeding small bits of information since he’s been an avid golfer for 30 plus years. First was staying over the ball and leaning towards it with your front leg. Then dipping my left shoulder then came the inside swing path. We did this for two weeks and I saw immediate improvement in my ball striking. I eventually asked him to teach me and he pointed me in the direction of theSNT and said study it like the bible. I shot a 50 for the first time on nine holes. My scores before looked like a played the Masters front and back 9 four times for 9 holes of golf. As a beginner this method has helped me actually not feel defeated on the golf course and is making want to get better. I wish and had some of the concise advice that the SNT guys provided because it always about being consistent.

By: Duke Wilson

Duke Wilson — Mon, 07 Feb 2011 17:41:44 +0000

If you have putting woes, read ‘The Art of Putting’ and do follow it to the letter.
S&T? I’ve always (for over 50 years) hit a draw. S&T did nothing good for me, after a 6-month trial, careful study with the book (on Kindle) and accurate feedback from Trackman.
Less consistency, less distance, lower ballflight.

By: SHR

SHR — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:50:00 +0000

All you have to do is look at the Pros, and look at how many and wonder:

Why aren’t there MORE players with WINS on the Tour with this swing? If it works so well, why aren’t MORE doing it, and why aren’t the ones who used to win before with normal swings, now NOT winning when they SWITCHED to S&T?

Different strokes for different folks. It will work for some. It won’t work that well for most. This “obsession” with hitting a “draw” and getting the “supposed” more distance out of the draw ball is a MYTH, the greatest players always wanted to eliminate the draw, the hook (Nicklaus, Trevino), because it’s not possible to CONTROL the shot as well with it. One teacher I know says it IS possible to hit a cut-fade with S&T, yet most of you here are all talking about hitting draws and getting distance. I say OK, then try hitting a fade with S&T and see what happens.
Plus, this swing WILL NOT WORK with a driver IF you want to FLY it HIGH and give it some AIR. You have to hit bullets, you have to hit stingers. That may work sometimes on some courses, and I suppose that’s all that matters? The fact is, even the Pros do NOT NEED to play well ALL the time. All they have to do is pick and choose for which type of courses and which conditions they would be best suited to play with their swing and game-plan, and try to win or get as much as money as they can at those favorable venues and to stay in the rankings.

Don’t believe the hype.

By: ShowMe

ShowMe — Sat, 25 Sep 2010 01:08:58 +0000

Lee, please describe your hybrid swing for the driver. Thanks.

By: infinityxxi

infinityxxi — Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:29:33 +0000

S&T works well for me. Nice compression with a draw ball flight.